if president obama and the democratic party and the nra, which says it wants to cut down on gun crime, too. if all of these people were serious about it, they would stop the nonsensical stuff that doesn't work, and they would say we're federalizing gun crimes. state lines which you can and can't take. get out of line, violate the gun law, mandatory prison sentence. believe me, that would cut it down way. you didn'tnswer my question, kate, i'm very disappointed. gabriel giffords. there she is how are we as americans if she wants stricter gun laws. shouldn't we rally to her cause? >> genuine reforms gradually cut down on gun violence. >> bill: you would say you want the same thick that she wants but you would debate her on how to get there, correct? >> of course we all want less gun violence. we just want reasonable reforms. and enforce what we already have on the books. >> bill: powers, would you just like to tell me one more time how the "new york times" hard news pages differ from their editorial? >> yeah. there is editorial page and they work in a separate area. >> bill: separate? >